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• Thread starter Bartholomew
• Start engagement February 13, 2005

I am thinking of applying to MIT equally a transfer (I know, slim chance). But I am concerned about the amount of coursework; does anyone (perhaps who goes to MIT?) know only how much fourth dimension information technology takes? I'k looking for judge hours per week; I already know information technology'due south "a lot."

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There'southward a rumor that MIT made the month of Jan. wintertime break because that'southward when people were getting their grades and previous many people would kill themselves on campus. Now they can do information technology at home.

What kind of workload do you lot call back you're going to take? You're applying to one of the elevation schools in the nation, and you're "concerned" with how much work yous're going to have? "Approximate hours per week"?

I'grand sorry, I'1000 just wondering how much that matters to you. If y'all're concerned you're going to be working too much on homework, then you should wait at a different schoolhouse.

i went to harvard, and near people asked questions like, "where tin I find more time to gett he work done? at that place is non enough time in the solar day."

at a school like that, in that location is no limit to how much work it takes. it takes all you can manage. the A students i knew went in the library in the morning and came out when it closed.

but do not worry, they seldom take transfers.

Yep, I know, in the yr 2003 they took exactly 5 transfers (compared to 50-fourscore at other good schools).

I have some friends there, and friends with friends there. It'southward not a pleasent motion picture. Of form, that all depends on how much piece of work you do now. I become to a pretty expert school, but I don't do nearly equally much piece of work (I don't think) here, as I would have to at MIT. I applied there, and in retrospect I'k glad I didn't make it considering I'one thousand having a far easier (and more enjoyable) experience as an undergraduate where I am now.

IMO, information technology's probably improve to merely wait for graduate school (assuming you programme to go), and employ for that.

If you lot werent a stellar educatee in HS, you shouldnt become to MIT. You will virtually probably neglect, or delay your graduation for a year or two by retaking classes and taking an easier workload. The very reason why they require loftier scores if to weed out people who dont do a lot of piece of work or dont necessarily similar to practise a lot of work. As a consequence in those types of schools at that place seems to be a lot of Asian students, and yep, at that place are sterotypes and they are based on solely on their family unit's tradition, etc

let me indicate out some of the pluses, in case you still desire to become there.

1) the professors are very very smart, and knowledgable to a degree one tin can inappreciably imagine. virtually all of them are capable of writing textbooks on the material they teach which would be better than most books used most places. This means the material in the lectures is the very latest and most pertinent.

2) The other students are really smart and interesting, and mostly highly motiovated to acquire and to excel and understand. Thus 1 learns merely by talking to them and hanging out at luncheon. The students likewise come from all over the world, and are extremely interesting to become to know. The actor James Woods went in that location east.g.

iii) The schoolhouse is a stones throw from Boston, one of the near beautiful and interesting towns in America.

4) The school has a great rep throughout the world, which will help you lot, and the high quality education y'all get there will aid fifty-fifty more than.

v) If you lot go in, it means they believe you tin succeed in that location, and they volition be correct.

so why not go for it?

Simply a quick question:
I'1000 thinking of getting a bachelor degree in physics here in Kingdom of norway, at the university of bergen (probably totally unknown). If I worked my donkey of and got a high GPA, could I take a chance applying for a graduate study at MIT?

(sorry, I know this isn't fully relevant to this thread, but I thought could just ask a quick question)

well, equally 1 of my friends told me when I consider whether to utilise for a prestigious postdoc: "I can tell you for sure that if you do not apply, then you won't get it."

I got it.

By the mode if yous piece of work your %%&* off, then skilful things will hapopen, whether you go into MIT or not.

By the way if you piece of work your %%&* off, and so adept things will hapopen, whether you become into MIT or not.

I sure hope so. I have been committing suicide for a long time now. This has been the worst twelvemonth out of my college career and then far. I sleep about xx-35 hours in a given week cause I work ii jobs on top of taking twenty credits. Correct now I am doing homework and will exist for some other 4-v hours (its 12:30 am now) and have to get up at 615 Am to go to work until 3, class 4-715, piece of work 730-930 then report for wed's psych test and write upward some huge lab reports. :zzz:

Wow.

I'one thousand taking xvi credits and I practice maybe 15 or 18 hours of course piece of work a week.

well being that it is the second all-time college in the US......do the math yourself...

not everyone at MIT works all the time, but superlative research scientists, and successful students at top places, do work a lot.

when i was a grad student (non at MIT), i made so little money, i was a vegetarian partly to be able to afford nutrient for my family, and partly to crave less slumber needed to digest meat. I ran several miles a twenty-four hours to be in good physical condition. I got upwards before dawn every day, worked all day, played with my kids at night until they went to bed, so worked after they brutal comatose from 11 until 1am. of class i made all A'southward, equally well every bit teaching undergraduate classes.

i heard once some students felt information technology was unfair that they wound up in classes with me and some other guy, since the competition was more than they could accept expected.

afterward when i had a research grant that was also small to feed us, i sold my automobile to take money to go on to study.

for ten years i sabbatum in the aforementioned identify on the floor every 24-hour interval surrounded past books. i went to no movies, read no novels, listended to music only to relax and report ameliorate. i skipped dejeuner to have more than fourth dimension to work and save money.

still i got letters from job applications like: "at in one case a educatee with your qualifications would have easily obtained a position hither, but unfortunately now things are dissimilar."

i establish good employment, but all the same it was decades earlier I could even afford to buy math books.

the signal is the work is difficult, the competition is intense, and the monetary rewards are small. and so it is crucial to do it for the love of the work and the bailiwick. Pick something you absolutely love working on. Otherwise it is very hard, perchance impossible, to piece of work difficult plenty to succeed.

the good part is, if y'all practice non give up, eventually you will succeed. it simply does not come chop-chop. and fifty-fifty a slow student who is persistent and thoughtful, will make dandy progress in fourth dimension.

Last edited: Feb xv, 2005

"i sold my auto to take money to continue to study"

Never would I resort to selling my ride.....sighface

i recall i had ii cars, merely i sold the reliable i.

non everyone at MIT works all the time, but pinnacle research scientists, and successful students at peak places, practise work a lot.

when i was a grad student (not at MIT), i fabricated so picayune money, i was a vegetarian partly to exist able to afford food for my family, and partly to require less sleep needed to assimilate meat. I ran several miles a day to be in good concrete condition. I got upward before dawn every day, worked all day, played with my kids at night until they went to bed, then worked after they fell asleep from eleven until 1am. of course i made all A's, likewise as educational activity undergraduate classes.

i heard once some students felt it was unfair that they wound up in classes with me and another guy, since the competition was more than than they could have expected.

after when i had a research grant that was too pocket-size to feed the states, i sold my car to have coin to go on to report.

for ten years i sat in the aforementioned place on the floor every day surrounded by books. i went to no movies, read no novels, listended to music only to relax and study better. i skipped luncheon to have more time to work and save money.

even so i got letters from job applications like: "at one time a pupil with your qualifications would take easily obtained a position hither, but unfortunately now things are different."

i found skilful employment, only still it was decades before I could even beget to purchase math books.

the point is the work is hard, the contest is intense, and the monetary rewards are small. and so it is crucial to do it for the dear of the work and the subject. Choice something you lot absolutely love working on. Otherwise it is very hard, possibly impossible, to work difficult enough to succeed.

the good part is, if you do non give up, somewhen you volition succeed. information technology only does not come quickly. and even a slow student who is persistent and thoughtful, volition make great progress in time.

very amazing may I know which college were you in?

the extremely hard plan described above was in graduate schoolhouse at PhD level, trying to finish in three years with a family unit, which is much more than competitive and intense than undergraduate college. college is demanding simply just a picnic, even at Harvard / MIT, compared to grad school.

Besides I exaggerate. I recall taking my kids to meet star wars at least twice during that ten years.

I think some of yous guys are overreacting. I tin merely speak from 2d hand experience, but not everyone at MIT is a workaholic. They do tend to cater to those types however. The person I know who went at that place double majored in mathematics and biology, simply still had time to practice things similar extracurriculars, etc. He is pretty smart, just I wouldn't exactly consider him to exist a genius. He is just pretty defended and focused.

And other people are correct, they almost never accept transfers, and so I wouldn't worry too much. They are pretty skilful at determining who is going to succeed there anyway, and then if you get in theres no reason to not go (unless the option is between them and say, Cal Tech)

when i was a grad student (not at MIT), i made then little money, i was a vegetarian partly to be able to afford nutrient for my family, and partly to require less sleep needed to assimilate meat. I ran several miles a solar day to exist in adept physical condition. I got up earlier dawn every day, worked all mean solar day, played with my kids at night until they went to bed, then worked after they brutal asleep from eleven until 1am. of course i made all A'southward, besides equally education undergraduate classes.

Seems like it's pretty difficult to have kids while in grad school, especially if your wife doesn't work (I assume she didn't by inference). If you lot don't have kids - I don't retrieve grad school is that bad.

They are pretty good at determining who is going to succeed in that location anyway, and so if yous get in theres no reason to not become (unless the choice is between them and say, Cal Tech)

is Caltech better than MIT??

As to the workload at tiptop undergraduate schools, I would say anyone admitted there who works very difficult will do quite well. In graduate schoolhouse, fifty-fifty those who work very hard may non all do well, merely virtually will graduate. If the graduate school is short on students, they may be reluctant to kick anyone out. The next stop yet volition be getting a proficient job.

As to balancing needs of a family, the family takes time and energy, merely offers stability and motivation for persistence and success. That tin be a big plus.

jai6638, As whether CalTech is "improve" than MIT, that'southward like asking whether Beethoven is meliorate than Mozart. They are unlike, and both are wonderful.

For well-nigh people, I myself advocate going to a school like Columbia or Harvard, where there is a rest of science and non science. What if it turns out you lot really do non want the physics degree yous thought you lot did? Exclusively scientific discipline oriented schools sometimes offer essentially naught else.

Cal Tech is fantastic for science, just a few years ago a graduate of that school, who liked it very much himself, indicated this reason some people might non. It may have changed since then. MIT instituted some liberal arts programs several decades ago for this reason. One of my acquaintances was involved with setting them up.

But if yous know y'all want math, or physics, or engineering, presumably either MIT or Cal Tech tin serve you excellently. Since these schools offer hundreds of courses, and you tin simply take a few, it is inconceivable to me that 1 person can come close to scratching the surface of what is bachelor at whatever of these schools in but 1 lifetime.

Luckily that makes it reasonable likewise to go about anywhere, if you lot cull well what to take there. The deviation in top places is the atmosphere of expectations, and motivation. They are very practiced, and know it, and await the same from you, and the students there want that, and want to exist part of that.

Thus ironically, you need to be even more motivated to go to an boilerplate place, equally you lot are required to concur up high standards for yourself, since information technology may not be demanded of y'all by the institution.

If yous are very specialized in your desires, and know yous desire some subdiscipline of a detail science, so maybe ane or the other of the schools MIT or CalTech is more desirable than the other.

Last edited: Feb 17, 2005

Practise you have to accept your undergraduate and/or your graduate degree (and maybe PhD) at an Ivy League schoolhouse to go successfull (in the individual task sector)?

If you don't have the grades to have the undergraduate at a top schoolhouse, could y'all take a hazard of inbound the graduate programme subsequently working your donkey of taking your undergraduate at some other school?

yeah if yous neat grades (3.75>) at a no name undergraduate school yous should be able to become into a good graduate program. But the matter is you likewise should wait for exterior experience, like internships, etc, to spice upwardly your resume.

grad schools are always looking for talent. the key point is to be good. when accepting students at grad schools that is what they are looking for. so they take two pieces of data, 1) what do the messages say, ii) who writes those messages.

and so information technology may be that if you went to an ivy league schoolhouse, the letter writers are more famous and therefore maybe what they say is more believable (perchance not), but even if you went to a no proper noun school, if all the letter writers say " this is the best pupil I have seen in XXX years, and I went to Columbia myself; no doubt about it, she is going to exist great, grab her." then you volition get in a lot places.

of courtse you likewise have to take high grades, that goes without saying. the difficulty is what tod educe from a lot of loftier ghrades ata shcool no one is familiar with. low grades ever meant he same matter. high grades do not.

is information technology better to practice research while doing an undergraduate engineering degree and then equally to be able to go into a skilful graduate schoolhouse or good grades are sufficient?

thanks mathwonk for ur input.. appreciate it..

is Caltech better than MIT??

*sigh*

in the 1970's it began to exist very hard for people, fifty-fifty very expert people, to get jobs at the top places. the issue was that many excellent people began to take jobs at places that had been considered lower tier.

This has continued and even accelerated up to the present timem peculiarly with the exodus of top people from eastyern european countried in the 1980'due south. hence now even an average state schoolhouse, has kinesthesia who in one case would have been at an ivy schoolhouse.

you lot can hardly find a school now, fifty-fifty a teaching higher that does not have splendid math faculty. do non worry. the faculty will be there to teach whatever you lot want. the students are the master difference at top schools. of form the faculty at top schools are also extremely outstanding, but the faculty at near all schools is actually proficient now.

not everyone at MIT works all the time, simply pinnacle research scientists, and successful students at meridian places, do work a lot.

when i was a grad pupil (non at MIT), i made so little money, i was a vegetarian partly to exist able to afford food for my family, and partly to require less sleep needed to assimilate meat. I ran several miles a twenty-four hours to be in proficient physical condition. I got upwards earlier dawn every day, worked all day, played with my kids at night until they went to bed, so worked later on they fell asleep from 11 until 1am. of course i made all A's, also equally instruction undergraduate classes.

i heard once some students felt it was unfair that they wound up in classes with me and some other guy, since the competition was more they could accept expected.

later when i had a research grant that was too modest to feed the states, i sold my car to accept money to go on to report.

for ten years i sabbatum in the aforementioned place on the floor every twenty-four hours surrounded by books. i went to no movies, read no novels, listended to music but to relax and study meliorate. i skipped lunch to have more time to work and relieve coin.

still i got letters from chore applications similar: "at i time a student with your qualifications would accept easily obtained a position here, but unfortunately now things are dissimilar."

i found good employment, simply still information technology was decades before I could even afford to buy math books.

the bespeak is the piece of work is difficult, the competition is intense, and the monetary rewards are small. then it is crucial to do it for the love of the piece of work and the discipline. Choice something yous absolutely dearest working on. Otherwise it is very hard, maybe impossible, to work hard plenty to succeed.

the good part is, if you lot exercise non give upwards, somewhen you volition succeed. information technology simply does not come quickly. and even a slow pupil who is persistent and thoughtful, will make great progress in fourth dimension.

What yous did is VERY inspiring. Thanks for sharing your story. Its brought me even more than confidence to do what I need to do for my goal (getting my Phd in mathematics) . Godbless persistance and conclusion.

not everyone at MIT works all the time, but meridian research scientists, and successful students at top places, do piece of work a lot.

when i was a grad student (not at MIT), i made so piffling money, i was a vegetarian partly to exist able to afford food for my family, and partly to require less slumber needed to digest meat. I ran several miles a day to be in practiced physical condition. I got up before dawn every day, worked all day, played with my kids at night until they went to bed, then worked later on they savage asleep from 11 until 1am. of course i fabricated all A'southward, as well as teaching undergraduate classes.

i heard once some students felt it was unfair that they wound up in classes with me and some other guy, since the competition was more than than they could have expected.

later when i had a research grant that was likewise pocket-size to feed the states, i sold my car to have money to continue to written report.

for ten years i sat in the aforementioned place on the flooring every 24-hour interval surrounded by books. i went to no movies, read no novels, listended to music only to relax and written report better. i skipped lunch to have more time to work and save money.

still i got letters from job applications similar: "at one fourth dimension a educatee with your qualifications would have easily obtained a position here, just unfortunately now things are different."

i found adept employment, but nonetheless it was decades before I could fifty-fifty afford to buy math books.

the point is the work is difficult, the competition is intense, and the monetary rewards are small. and so it is crucial to do it for the love of the piece of work and the subject. Pick something you absolutely love working on. Otherwise it is very difficult, maybe impossible, to work hard enough to succeed.

the good function is, if you do non give upwardly, eventually you volition succeed. it just does not come up quickly. and even a irksome student who is persistent and thoughtful, will make neat progress in fourth dimension.

epic story; makes me feel like **** tho.

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